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UNITED STATES GRAND JURY 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 
-v-
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 
Defendant. 
APPEARANCES: 
X 
August 2018 
: Additional 
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New York, New York 10007 
July 2, 2019 
12:43 p.m. 
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Assistant 
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ESQ. 
United States 
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United States 
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United States 
Attorney 
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(Colloquy Precedes.) 
(Witness Enters Room.) 
(Time noted: 12:47 p.m.) 
called as a witness, having 
been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand 
Jury, was examined and testified as follows: 
EXAMINATION 
BY MS. 
Q. Could you please state and spell your name for 
the record? 
A. 
Q. Good afternoon, Special Agent 
A. Good afternoon. 
Q. Where do you work? 
A. The FBI. 
Q. What's your title at the FBI? 
A. Special agent. 
Q. How long have you worked as a special agent 
for the FBI? 
A. For over two years now. 
Q. Did you testify before this grand jury on 
June 18th, 2019? 
A. I did. 
Q. Can you just remind the grand jury about your 
background? What types of work do you do at the FBI? 
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A. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children 
Squad, so we work child exploitation, human 
trafficking, and international parental kidnapping 
matters. 
Q. Have you participated in an investigation of 
Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Have you spoken to other people, including 
other law enforcement officers, about this 
investigation? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents 
prepared by others regarding this case? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And is your testimony today based in part on 
those conversations with other law enforcement officers 
and documents that you have reviewed? 
A. Yes. 
MS. 
Ladies and gentlemen, some of the 
testimony that you're going to hear today will 
include hearsay. As you know, that means that the 
witness will not be testifying solely from her own 
observations, but that she'll also be reporting 
what others have told her and what she's read in 
reports and documents prepared by others. 
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As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in 
these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to 
rely on it in determining whether there is 
probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. 
If, however, you would like to hear the 
testimony of any other witness, you have the right 
to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts 
to bring that witness before you. 
BY MS. 
Q. So, Special Agent 
I placed in front of 
you a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them 
now one by one. 
We were discussing earlier that you recall 
testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019;. is 
that correct? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as 
Grand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate 
transcript of your testimony on that date? 
A. Yes. 
Q. I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury 
Exhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you 
reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So picking up where we left off last time, I 
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want to follow up regarding the presentation. If you 
could turn to page 28 of that presentation. 
Now, Special Agent 
do you recall 
testifying about your interviews with a young woman 
named 
A. Yes. 
Q. And do you recall that there was a question 
from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides 
in this presentation? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Just want to follow up on that. So on this 
page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall 
testifying about phone records of a call between a 
phone number subscribed to 
and 
's cell phone on January 3rd? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records 
that are excerpted in this slide? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Is the call highlighted on this slide from 
January 3rd, 2005? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Directing your attention to the top of the 
slide where it says 2004, is that a typo? 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Have you confirmed that the underlying records 
are, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the 
header on this slide is January 4, 2005. Is that the 
same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that 
slide? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So does the date on this slide accurately 
reflect the date on the deposit slip? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So when you testified that based on the phone 
records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that 
it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was 
that in fact accurate? 
A. Yes. 
Q. All right. So I want to switch gears now and 
ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand 
jury regarding a woman named
A. Yes. 
Q. If you could turn now to what's before you and 
marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What is this document? 
A. So this is a list of messages that to 
that 
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appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein. 
Q. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the 
FBI obtain this document? 
A. We received this from the Palm Beach Police 
Department. 
Q. What is your understanding, based on your 
review of law enforcement reports and your review of 
the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department 
obtained this document? 
A. They would have received it from a trash pull. 
So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to 
the residence and went through the trash that was left 
on the curb. 
Q. Is this document from one of those trash 
pulls? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Approximately when was this pulled from the 
trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports? 
A. April 13, 2005. 
Q. In a previous presentation, you discussed a 
number of residences. Do you know specifically where 
this was pulled from the trash? 
A. The Palm Beach residence. 
Q. Did you personally participate in gathering 
this evidence? 
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A. I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have 
received the evidence since. 
Q. So let's talk through this document. 
Looking first at the first page at the top, 
what does this document appear to be? 
A. It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein, 
4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005. 
Q. What are the fields at the top? 
A. So the left side has who it's from, the middle 
has the message, and then on the right it has -- some 
of them have phone numbers listed. 
Q. Does the name 
appear in this document? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Let's turn to the fourth page of this 
document. Focusing on the last line, do you see where 
it says callers? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What is listed in the field to the right? 
A. It lists 
Q. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing 
on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the 
grand jury where you see the name 
at the bottom 
of this document? 
A. So 
is listed twice. 
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(Indicating.) 
Q. What are the messages to the right of the name 
A. The first message lists, I'm back in New York. 
Q. What's the second one? 
A. 
is back. 
Q. Is there a phone number listed next to the 
message? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And what is the area code for that phone 
number? 
code? 
A. 
Q. Does that appear to be a New York City area 
A. Yes. 
Q. In your interviews with 
have
you asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone 
number? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What did she tell you? 
A. She did not recognize it. 
Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the 
phones that she was using during this time period? 
A. She said that she was using a lot of different 
phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so 
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she didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in 
the past 
Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone 
number? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005? 
A. It came back to an individual in Maspeth. 
Q. Based on your participation in this 
investigation, does that particular individual have any 
significance to this investigation, as far as you can 
tell? 
A. No. 
Q. If these messages had been left by 
in 
New York, would some type of communication have had to 
occur across state lines in order for these messages to 
have been found in Florida? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Do you recall testifying about 
and 
having remembered receiving phone calls 
from Epstein's assistant, Mt 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did they recall that occasionally when they 
would get phone calls from MB 
that she would say 
that she was calling from New York? 
A. Yes. 
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and 
were in Florida when they 
got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been 
placed from New York, would those calls have traveled 
across state lines? 
A. Yes. 
Q. A few final questions about 
In your conversations with her, did she ever describe 
to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages 
that she was scheduling? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Who would call her? 
A. MM. 
Q. Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the 
phone? 
A. Epstein. 
Q. And did she explain the context in which she 
would receive calls and speak to Epstein? 
A. Yes. She said that when she spoke with 
Epstein on the phone, it would always be through 
IIIIII/ So 
would contact her and then put him 
on the phone to speak with her. 
Q. What was her understanding of who 
was? 
A. His assistant. 
Q. In these conversations with 
and 
Epstein, did 
recall whether or not either of 
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them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to 
the house? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did she recall whether 
ever asked her 
to bring a particular girl? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What does she remember about that? 
A. That 
would ask her, do you have this 
particular girl or can this girl come tonight or on 
whatever day that they had chosen. 
Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the 
phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever 
ask her to bring a particular girl? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What did she remember about that? 
A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl. 
Q. Just one moment. 
Special Agent 
have you told the grand 
jury everything that you know about this case, or have 
you just answered the questions that I've asked? 
A. I've just answered the questions you've asked. 
Q. When you testified about the documents you 
reviewed or the conversations that you had with.others, 
were you testifying to the exact words that were used 
or just the substance of the documents or 
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conversations? 
A. Substance. 
Q. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if 
the grand jury has any further questions for you? 
A. Yes. 
MS. 
With the Foreperson's permission, I 
would ask that Special Agent 
be excused. 
THE FOREPERSON: You're excused. 
(Witness Excused.) 
(Time noted: 1:00 p.m.) 
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CERTIFICATE 
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COUNTY OF KINGS 
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transcript, to the best of my skill and ability, 
from my stenographic notes of this proceeding. 
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